Buying a house? Parents drug dealers did it. I want to add the problems of information sharing in American law enforcement. The city also declared July 13 as Lyric and Elizabeth Day.. The killers are there ! Even though Dan Morrissey was involved with meth, my guess would be that if the murders were related to drugs, we would absolutely know. I didnt know what was going on until a classmate told me: The missing girls have been found. Rest in peace. Delphi may well have been an attempted abduction, a la Evansdale, which went wrong due to the girls being that bit older, stronger and more aware of what was happening. When their grandmother could not find them, she became worried she went out to look for hem, with no luck. Lyric was preceded in death by her paternal great-grandfather, Jim Weikert and maternal grandfather, Ray Cook. Someone wanting money would keep them alive or the perception that they were alive in an effort to collect. They all remain in the Evansdale/Independence area. Well if you really want to know, Im bored at work, this is an interesting comment thread, and Id like to know who the killer is (as Im sure the rest of the world does as well). I was watching the ID Channel, and a episode came on about a prisoner named Kevin Sweat from OK state prison. Im sorry Im still sending prayers. Even if I am proven wrong by an arrest of a drug cartel member, other children and adults in this state have been spotted, stalked, killed, and dumped. This is the most obscure area in the park and is next to I-350. Its such a strange coincidence last weekend my mother in law gave me the number for a good heart doctor here in the Cedar Falls/Waterloo area. Did get em. Some of the most disturbing drug related killings was that of drug dealers luring the children of lower level users and dealers that had stolen product from them or owed money for drugs used. About Im sorry no child is safe. I would no more attack someone for writing FWIW (instead of For what its worth) than I would someone using the word prolly instead of probably.. Both are deceased now, but Chad should be considered a suspect anyway. Which Parents,, both sides have their share!!!!! They even tried to drain the lake to find something of value, but turned up short. I want sexual offenders against children to know we are not going to take our children being used and taken and slaughtered anymore. a rookie no longer on duty. It is obvious why everyone jumped to the conclusion it might have been a trucker. The news that the bodies had been found hit them hard. In 2013, Dan was sentenced to 90 years in prison with a 30-year mandatory minimum after he pled guilty to three sets of drug charges (some were before Lyrics disappearance and others after). You mean like a door closer? Maybe they want everyone involved? Even if they were the meth dealers of the year, did they deserve this? It might be a stranger, or a distant acquaintance, maybe someone the girls had casually seen once, but I doubt it was anyone very close to the girls or their family. State investigators conducted a painstaking examination of potential similarities between the kidnapping and murder of Dayton teenager Kathlynn Shepard and missing person cases in Iowa, and in June 2013 a state official announced that potential connections were already being analyzed between Shepards murder and the Cook and Collins slayings. Here are just a couple of charges Chad Fitz has had in the past. You saw the killer. I think Klunder is probably the perpetrator of this crime. I just dnt knw. Shes tells me her friend in Evansdale gave her the number of a good cardiologist in Waterloo. No. XXXXXXX sent December 7, 2020 We have no doubt that the person or persons responsible with this crime are very familiar with Seven Bridges.. What is prolly????? We always talk about local creeps and crimes and she began the tour by pointing out a house where an awful person lived, not the suspect, but inferences could be drawn by some psychologists, sociologists, and criminologists if they are related because they have the same name. He wasnt even familiar with the area, and where the girls were found at Seven Bridges Wildlife Area is the kind of place where only locals who grew up in the area go to. Iowa, 5 months after young cousins vanished: Lyric Cook-Morrissey, Elizabeth Collins may be found, authorities say, The Des Moines Register, Dec. 5, 2012, Anonymous donor adds $100K to reward for two missing Iowa girls, The Des Moines Register, Nov. 30, 2012, Iowa Department of Public Safety Missing Person Information Clearinghouse, Mother of missing girl faces new court date, KCCI Channel 8 Des Moines, Nov. 12, 2012, Dads message for daughter: I will never stop looking, KCCI Channel 8 Des Moines, Oct. 19, 2012, What do jurors know about missing girls dad?, KCCI Channel 8 Des Moines, Sept. 26, 2012, Innocence Abducted: From Johnny Gosch to Evansdale Cousins, 30 Years Have Brought Many Changes to Missing Children Investigations, Johnston Patch, Sept. 7, 2012, Attempted Abduction Reports in Ames Jump After Evansdale Girls Go Missing, The Ames Patch, Sept. 5, 2012. My wife said that night her mom called she said they thought it had to do with the stepdad and meth dealing. Chad was convicted with: These drug cartel enforcer are animals but they are also magnificently smart. I remember reading that they had a dedicated team to heavily investigate Michael Klunder in relation to this case. The houses were next door. I would bet anything it had to do with the drugs n ratting ppl out.makes me sick to my stomach because I was down by the lake twice that day within that time frame.. Steve, am sure you have done so did you see anything or remember anything? Also in May 2014, Drew Collins and Waterloo Director of Safety Services Dan Trelka traveled to Utica, New York, to participate in the Ride for Missing and Exploited Children. I thought you said that was Gilbert Drive in Evansdale. While we were sitting on the lawn waiting for instructions on the search parties. To the investigators: I am sure you must know these things, but you should talk to XXXXXX. Volunteers soon came out by the hundreds, organizing candlelight vigils, press conferences, and searches. According to KWWL Channel 7, the other witness told police they saw the vehicle parked near the woods on the east side of the lake only a few hundred feet from where the bikes were found. Volunteers thought up the project and put it together through fundraising. Two teenagers Abby and Libby, ages 13 and 14 years, respectively, from Delphi, Indiana, died in February 2017. Its not a matter of finding as many similarities as possible, because this actually doesnt support the idea of the crimes being linked. After their searches turned up empty, the family reported the girls as missing to the Evansdale Police Department approximately two and a half hours after the initial bike ride. ( Libby/ Elizabeth) One girl in each set was being raised by grandparents. Investigative Journalist | Criminology, Psychology & Sociology B.A. There are the reverse dates: 7-13-12 / 2-13-17. This creep has an old kidnappings charge and a charge with LASCIVIOUS ACTS W/CHILD-INFLICT PAIN OR DISCOMFORT (FELD) and KIDNAPPING 1ST DEGREE 1978 (FELA). The other girl managed to escape when Klunder took Shepard to another part of the property, police say. As in all small towns, everyone knows everyone and the girls and their families, and the murders were the topic of conversations for some time in all the places she hung out. There is more out there! This from ICC admin Jody Ewing: While we appreciate all comments and hope to foster discussion about this unsolved case (which includes both girls), I see no point in someone attacking another persons spelling or grammar. Has anyone looked into the Oelwein mayor? They just arent releasing it! Director Talks About Evansdale Cousins Murder Investigation, by Kelly Maricle, WHOTV.com, Airdate: January 29, 2015, EVANSDALE MURDERS: Police Rule Out Klunder, by Sam Hoyle, WHOTV.com, Airdate May 14, 2014, ONE YEAR: Parents Happy With Investigation, by Staff, WHOTV.com, Airdate July 12, 2013. In a Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier story published July 26, 2015, interim Evansdale Police Chief Jeff Jensen said the Evansdale cousins case was never to be considered a cold case., WHO-TV reported Feb. 5, 2016, that investigators were still fielding tips in the Evansdale Cousins Case.. It makes me sick how people want to judge my family and they dont know anything about my family . Excellent post. Both locations for crime are fishing/hunting/outdoors spots. Thats where he stayed or lived with his mom or grandmother and the girls rode their bikes right past his house on Gilbert Street and all around there. Her daughter is still very nave and even now doesnt grasp the ramifications of some of these acts. In fact she called us in Colorado the night the girls went missing. KWWL reported July 12, 2017, that Altmayer is also suspected in two other incidents one happening last June near the Dike City Park, and another a couple weeks later near Clay Street Park in Cedar Falls. If the lication where the bodies were discovered, couldnt law enforcement pinpoint when the bodies first appeared in that location. Their bikes and Elizabeths purse were later found on a trail on the southeast corner of Meyers Lake about 4 p.m. the same day the girls went missing, but there were no clues as to their whereabouts. Were coming for you, Trelka said. Do it for those girls. A $150,000 reward, raised privately and by the FBI, is available for information leading to an arrest and conviction in the case. Btw, only one set of parents was connected with drugs. On the morning of Friday July 13th, 2012, cousins Elizabeth Collins (right) and Lyric Cook-Morrissey (left) were dropped off at their grandmother Wylma Cooks house, which sits along Brovan Boulevard in downtown Evansdalea town in Black Hawk County, Iowa with a population of around 5,000. If you think someone might be a suspect, contact the authorities rather than putting someones name on public forums. Sheriff: No comment, KWWL Channel 7, Feb. 12, 2013, Officials to Rename Park, Trail for Cousins Abducted from Evansdale, KCRG-TV Channel 9, Feb. 5, 2013, Cause of Evansdale cousins deaths will be kept confidential, The Des Moines Register, Jan. 2, 2013, Funeral for Lyric Cook planned for Dec. 29, The Iowa City Press-Citizen, Dec. 17, 2012, Autopsies confirm bodies are missing girls, KCCI Channel 8, Dec. 10, 2012, Cousins case nears homicide classification, The Des Moines Register, Dec. 8, 2012, 127 Photos Search for Missing Iowa Girls, The Des Moines Register, Missing Girls: Autopsies could take weeks, KCCI Channel 8 Des Moines, Dec. 7, 2012, 2 bodies found in N.E. I remember this :-(, I remember that was all over the local news for a long while. So sad. Better believe it .you are a nasty person and have no class someday our paths will cross and I cant wait you are a troll.drew Collins father of Elizabeth June Marie. Although I have to admit Id like hear what she has to say. They decided to visit some historical places and streets of Delphi to hang around. I think they found that he was innocent on this one. I say keep digging til you hit China ! I lived in Dade county Florida (Miami) for 3 short years back in the 80s where a close relative worked with one of the early drug task forces in the state. Even though LE has stated they do not believe the two to be connected in any way, the similarities really are chilling. How do you know he bought it there? However, I hope you will revisit your information about him, even though he is deceased, because a lot of evidence points to him. Both near bridges & roads. please tell me this is /s !!! This is a community where we can speak openly about the Murders of Libby and Abby in Delphi, IN. The find didnt turn up anything new, but the video did confirm the official police timeline. I think a lot of people are, family friend Sarah Curl told WHO-TVs Aaron Brilbeck. Post Author: Post published: 23/05/2022 Post Category: kent island high school athletics Post Comments: lexington country club membership fee lexington country club membership fee Unlike Lyric and Elizabeths case, Abby and Libbys bodies were found the next day. Then another cop. In short, given all the other eerie parallels-- the reverse dates, 7/13/12 and 2/13/17; the continued '213' or '13' theme with the time stamped by LE attack start as 2:13 PM; the isolated defunct railroad trails and bridges as locations (and imagery: Lyric and Elizabeth are found at Seven Bridges Wildlife Park and next to a river); similar parental situations that include drug manufacture, sales, and abuse; and, the murders' unique correlation with pork plants-- all the major plants in Indiana are within 45 minutes of each other and Tyson owns both Waterloo/Evansdale and Logansport: the combination of physical unknowns with glaring similarities and odd coincidences that may overwhelm apophenia should say to LE "please take a closer look.". LASCIVIOUS ACTS W/CHILD-INFLICT PAIN OR DISCOMFORT (FELD). Iowa Cold Cases I agree that the one set of parents owned money to a drug dealer and they werent paying so maybe they took the one and they couldnt leave a witness so they took her to. XXXXXX sent December 7, 2020 computer crimes. The police chief prior to Randy Weber was also fired under similar circumstances over a technical paper trail where he was cleared of all wrong doing, but, all the cops got together and fired him too. Jordi Faber that is a totally different kidnapping unfortunately. Additionally, Cedar Valley Crime Stoppers has offered a $50,000 reward for anyone coming forward with information that simply leads to an arrest. I like the updates. There are alot of good intended people but none of us really know and God forbid we ever do know what its like to have one of our own children taken in such evil and cruel way. All someone would have to do is threaten them with a gun. That would be unconscionable. On the other hand, there might be more than one perpetrator. His crime was in 2008. There were two sets of footprints from Huntbachs rental to their house next door. Related: 11 Cold Case Books That Will Chill You to the Bone. (8) we do not know how either were killed (technically), BUT, we do know neither was shot. Jim Newton the Detective working that case then showed me the pictures that could not be used in evidence. A serial killer who operates during the day in rural areas, so long as the chosen area is within a mile of a four lane highway. Does Altmayer arrest have any connection to missing cousins case? This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. He had all kinds of experience with sex trafficking crimes. My guess is that Elizabeth and Lyric were taken by a stranger who happened to see them riding their bikes, without anyone else around, and decided to kidnap them. This suspicion was brought to light shortly after the girls disappearance. Peter Vronsky, in American Serial Killers: The Epidemic Years, 1950-2000, dedicates a lengthy passage to comparing local participation in submitting to databases that would help identify linkage. This was highly unusual for both Libby and Abby . It is possible to find over 20 coincidences. It is very common for revenge to be taken out on the loved ones in this fashion. Elizabeth Collins parents joined Sorenson and parents of other missing and murdered children at the Capitol for a news conference where the senator outlined five pieces of legislation he planned to introduce during the current session. My thoughts are with all of you. Most seen was Lyrics unconditional love for her family and her special love for her brother Dillin. Check this out. December 7, 2020 The same guy did both. Even though it is remote there is a High School less than 2 miles north of the 7 Bridges Wildlife area. They have the girls DNA I am sure and if the did a good investigation they kept personal items of the girls. She attended Kingsley Elementary School and was 10 years old. Lyric and Elizabeth were then seen on Lake Avenue, still together and on their bikes. There is a severe lack of manpower and funding as compared to Canada-- and local police agencies mostly ignore the mounds of paperwork. My pet theory is that Evansdale and Delphi are connected. Hundreds of volunteers had helped search for the cousins, and the lake near where their bicycles were found had been partially drained. I was a kid at the time, and I remember going to school the day they found their bodies. There are several reasons based on the little that we do know. My friends family lived near the Fitzs and several times he had tried to get her children to come over or go for rides, etc. Five months later on December 5th, 2012, hunters in the Seven Bridges Wildlife Area stumbled across two bodies, smaller in stature and appearing to be female. Two witnesses said theyd seen the white SUV parked between two bike trail signs. Sounds simple enough but his families are also tied into the local drug trade. As of July 2017, two people have confessed to the crime, but KCCI said authorities eliminated them after discovering the individuals had no intimate details about the case. You just dont remember it. Both teenagers were in 8th standard and had a day off. Lyric was also survived by many cousins and friends. The little girls were around the same age as my son. Typically, the wildlife area isnt highly traveled, especially in the summertime. And this serial killer was able to orchestrate this twice. Abby & Libby were killed on February 13, 2017 2/13/17 21317 The dates being mirror images of each other really hit home for me because I have two sons who are 21 years apart and, despite there being 365 days in a year, the older one was born March 28th - 328 - and the younger one was born August 23rd - 823. Im not pushing this off on Drugs because its the path of least resistance, Im stating known and proven facts. Chief Kent Smock of the Evansdale Police Department received confirmation Monday, according to a Black Hawk County Sheriffs Office press release. Do they even recover cause of death in Evansdale finding the bodies 5 months after the abduction? A lot of similarities. No closer for the family. I saw the post about these two girls and wondered if there might have been an update. Altmayer was arrested in November and accused of trying to lure a 6-year-old girl in his car near Onawa. It must be nice living in judgement of others why dont you look at yourself .karma is a bitch Id watch out someday something tragic could happen to you and maybe while your going threw hell some asshole will talk shit about you online . This July 13th will be the ninth anniversary of the girls disappearance. Its better to say something than nothing at all. Dont attack somebody for there grammar but its ok to attack the family of the girls. All four of the bodies were left on land that is typically frequented by hunters. Otherwise i dnt understand how no one saw two girls fighting adult/s trying to get them in a car. She spoke of them often. I am sad, so sad for these families. I may drive up and look at all that other stuff next week. If you'd like to reprint a post or case summary, please contact us with the name of the requested post/article. How can someone live with themselves day to day? Weve all held out pretty strong that theres going to be a positive outcome.. They were taken from a trail thats just 40-50 feet from the highway. Its a small street and if you look at street view from 2012 you cant miss it. Sonksen and Leet had painted a tribute to two angels, with wings, to serve as a reminder that Lyric and Elizabeth forever soar in the hearts of many. Six months after Lyric and Elizabeth were found, authorities announced on Monday, June 24, 2013, they had three separate witnesses who said they saw a white, older-model, full-size SUV-type vehicle similar to a Chevy Suburban or a Ford Bronco parked on Arbutus Avenue on July 13. What is prolly???? Atlas. Doesnt it seem more likely that these are two separate cases that happen to share some unimportant coincidences than the work of an overly elaborate serial killer? Chillingly, the dates both sets of girls vanished, 7-13-12 and 2-13-17, are anagrams of each other. Memorial services were held at Heartland Vineyard on Saturday, December 29, from 2 to 5:30 p.m. Elizabeth Collins (courtesy Overton Family Funeral Homes). The 1974 Courier article goes on to say that R. Fitz, the creepy perp, had actually joked with the childs father about abducting the girl. Everyone thinks all they need is DNA. Not sure why? So please dont act like you know anything about me . Dates seen March 2005. I pray someone comes forward. Thoes girls deserve it. I am sure its not Fitz. But in my experience, families may share some behaviors, learned or otherwise. It is uncommon for stranger abductions to happen. Thank you in advance! Theres many similarities. Why did the brother vanish so quickly after the girls were declared missing ? There would not have been much of the remains left by January 2013. Both sets in a park but separated from other visitors. Abby-Libby Lyric-Elizabeth RayHanish Idaho-Case FloraGirls Karena Athena Suzanne #loveandlight Remembering. I dont know if theres more bad then good in the world but I do know there is good. Remebering Libby And Abby & Lyric Cook And Elizabeth Collins Photo Art - YouTube it has libby and abby photos in the pictures at libby headstone it has libby and abby photos in. B Boxer This was in no way set up as if to send a message as dealers and the mafia do. He was released from custody following Lyrics disappearance so he could be with his family. Later that same day, the girls bikes and Elizabeths purse were found near the corner of Meyers Lake. State police say more audio from libby german's cell phone was played for the victims' Investigators have explained that the details of the crime scene indicate a signature, which can help them identify the killer. On Thursday, August 21, 2014, Evansdale police unveiled a new web page http://evansdalepolice.org/latestonlyricandelizabeth.php to act as a clearinghouse for information on the unsolved case. If you analyse any two cases for long enough youll find similarities between them. All three witnesses said theyd seen the SUV sometime between 11:30 a.m. and 12:30 p.m. on July 13, 2012, the same day and approximate time period when the girls went missing, WHOTV Channel 13 reported on June 24, 2012. There is too much here for the FBI to clear him. A short while later, they were spotted about a mile-and-a-half from their grandmothers house. Either way, look deeper into the families connection with the drug world and you WILL find the killer/killers. Your ignorant fir calling someone that. Hardly anyone would be walking around that area much until the start of the deer hunting season. 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