I do believe all believers in Yeshua to be my brothers and sisters in the body. If the Law is done away, we have no commandments. Ive GOT IT! Faith without works is dead. and His laws which is strongs H3384 torah meaning Gods direction and instructions that men follow. And in the whole discourse of John 14 where Jesus is talking about He & the Father being one, Jesus never once mentions obeying Torah. And love God. To do the commandments of the Father. And some quote scripture out of context and cherry-pick verses to fit a preconceived doctrine. In this Judgment you will be likewise be judged. If the law has been done away with then its easy to be trapped in sin. I still do not have the time,however, I wish to keep this dialogue open, so I must briefly attempt to answer your questions. All I can say is that if you disagree? Remember your dear Peter said Moses preached the gospel in the wilderness, I urge you to ask yourself how did he do that, what exactly was that. In fact, the authors point in this text is not to contrast the covenants, but to compare priesthoods: The earthly priests and their service with Jesus as a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Peter decided that the church would not impose the Jewish law upon gentile believers, but that the church would treat the sacrament of Baptism as initiation into the faith with no further requirements. Naturally me and that child have a closer relationship because they show their love by showing their obedience. At this time Id just like to address the cult thing again..the issue of calling those people a cult because of the division you see occurring. in your attempt to fit me into a nice box in your mind. Either God is perfect or he isnt. It seems you and I agree on many issues as we discuss the core of our belief in the saving works of Jesus Christ. So, what is wrong with seeking the unpolluted Scriptures to return to Yahwehs original magnificent Word and testing if Pork and Sabbath/Feasts/etc. Hebrews is also clear the New Covenant was already established with numerous references. Be careful of spiritual pride . We have found returning to the Way nothing short of freeing and could only wish more believers would dare to try and love Yahweh according to the WAY He commands usnothing more and nothing less. Does any of you truly have room to judge when you are all adhering to beliefs that began not with Jesus and His Apostles, but 1500 years later by people who removed books from the Bible, dispensed with the sacraments Jesus established, and taught things that had never been allowed in the Church from New Testament times forward. And Rav Kefa never would have supported Shaul as a fellow member of the Messianic Community if that had been the case. , Here it is: If you follow after the commandments of God, does that make you a Judaiser? Words have power. Chris set us free from the law of sin and death. John 14:15 says this: If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. I think most of the issue people have with them is that they are challenging you to walk away from the spoon fed teachings your pastor gives you, and to break out a concordance to do some digging and studying on your own. Names of those who made the ultimate sacrifice in serving our nation. By the way, I doubt that the Leviticus 18:18 argument is even original to you. You are going to have to define grace so I know what you mean when you use the word. Well, I learned a thing or two. Wake up and read the Word with the TRUE discernment of the Holy Spirit!! So stick the book and live life the way HE wants you to. Nowhere did I say gentiles were not included. Again, what could be better than family, feasting, fun, Yahweh, Scripture, peace, rest, worship, fellowshipall wrapped up in knowing we are loving our Father and our neighbor the way He commanded us, not mens traditions!? They also have been a bit taken with HR / 119 ministries all of the feast ..making booths , etc. Because it would be quickly discerned to be a blatant lie! Language is not only vocabulary and grammar rules, its also the culture, the traditions, and the mindset of the people who speak it. And all enemies will be defeated before Christs return.. when the last enemy, Death, is finally and completely obliterated. It is all about Jesus living His life through us, as we trust and obey Him. There are way too many to be, they are you and me, Israel!! Isaiah 53! Members of His body of His flesh and of His bones., There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus., But, Spiritual things are foolishness to the natural man because they are spiritually discerned, For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. (Revelation 16:14) I finally decided, to stop looking outside of Scripture for answers & just ask God what He means. Many Churches teach that only their members will inherit eternity (Mormons, JWs, and many others as evidenced here). You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these which bear witness to me; and you are unwilling to come to Jesus that YOU might have life. ( John 5:39-40) , The last comment by Jenkins is so typical of 119 ministries. We need to use some common sense!! The scribes and Pharisees were reading from the Torah while in Moses seat. Using minimal staff aids our efforts to effectively deliver free quality teachings to all. I appreciate this page, as I have debated these guys for years. 2.) They have concordances, so many different bibles some go far back as 1300s. Because they test everything to scripture, not manmade doctrine and traditions. I apologize Leah, if thats not your stance on the topic. After 29 years of being a Christian, and reading the Bible with these preconceived notions taught by the Christian Church, namely, that the Law has been done away with since the resurrection, the Holy Spirit took the veil off my eyes one day during private study. Oh and those dietary things Ya we dont have to do that well because, this was only for the Jews Oh and Israel, oh and the Nations that follow after one true God.. That he expects us to live accordingly to his Teachings. God richly bless you!!!! I trust we all agree that the Hebrew word torah is not exclusively defined as the unchanging written law of Moses previously passed orally from generation to generation. Do not add to it or subtract from it. Come on folks do not be deceived by what other deem a cult when they just want to hear what their itching ears want to hear.. rather than the TRUTH.. Look up Dr Michael Brown.. fire school of ministry and ask Dr. Brown he has great teachings too and will debate you in a second.. (what does Satan, I mean Santa have to do with anything, except NOTHING, or Easter, one of the many names of Mithraism and the eggs dipped in the blood of your sacrificed infant to YOUR god, Molech) Its Sun-god worship. Mens hearts are wicked, Yahweh would never put it on us to figure out what is right and wrong. Unless you read the transcripts along with the video, it is sometimes difficult to catch the deception. 4 Did you suffer so many things in vainif indeed it was in vain? 1 2 119 Ministries @119Ministries And I have watched these same people go from belief to belief. But upon his being put to death, his whole following was broken up and came to nothing. Youve proven over and over that you dont care about what the Bible says at all but only want to abuse it to exalt yourself as some creepy male supremacist cult leader. The names tell a story of service and sacrifice. Christians need to read the Old Testament (how many I wonder actually know that the Bible was split in two testaments by the Catholic Church? A witness to Yahusha. For some people, those names listed on the wall are nothing more than a name. 36 Some time ago, there was a rebellion under Todah, who claimed to be somebody special; and a number of men, maybe four hundred, rallied behind him. Its quite interesting that were brought in pre-law, by a promise. Therefore what was meant for Israel is then meant for gentiles leaving their pagan ways after accepting Jesus as saviour. Antonio, can I copy what you said and report it on another site. and God did so through manifesting Himself in Jesus. From their video "What is the Gospel, part 1" "The message in the instructions of Christ is also taught in the week of unleavened bread. What does scripture say about this phenomenon? Does not scripture state where there is no law the is no sin? Sometimes when I talk to him, I feel like Im banging my head up against a wall; so it was so great to know that Im not alone. He confidently told me the money was in the bank, and I should call the bank to verify if I wanted. Many are called, few are chosen. As a Jew, his words are crystal clear to me. Sean, if you want something to think about, check out Lets Get Biblical by Tovia Singer. Jesus was a Jew from the tribe of Judah, we are grafted into Israel, made common wealth citizens to Israel through adoption. I just came across a video of 119 ministries. How is Gods love for us any different? Disagreement of biblical opinion does not constitute false teaching. To clarify Brother Sean, I am not saying that the calender used by the post Babylon exiles. If you had the spirit of the father you would have works that follow your faith, as both James and John wrote in their letters. Romans 6:14 Leviticus 19:32, Wisdom is with theaged,And withlong lifecomesunderstanding. I suggest using bold for the rebuttals. Dont believe me? This is why it is better promises. That we can break any of the Ten? I have been reading several articles on your site and I must say, I will pray for you. The Holy Spirit puts that background to good work and makes it easy Him to help me quickly spot the incorrectness and deception in the false teachings woven into 119s teachings. Im not saying that by keeping the Law we are saved. I do not follow the dangerous teachings of Judaism either or the blasphemous teachings of the Talmud. When the Ruach came upon me. This does not mean one is to go out and willfully sin because they have grace! So why then, would 119 Ministries be deceiving people, if theyre trying to help people follow the Bible better? And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and Prophets hang on these two commandments. And as the Apostle Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 13:13, the greatest of these is love.. Its a very thorough examination of Scripture, context and translation. it is easy to attack what we dont understand! If we think we can do it better than Yahweh originally articulated the rules for righteous life, then we are foolish at best. If you must know my opinion(I do not claim absolutism in speaking for IEUE(YHWH)) i believe that the Essenes who left the corrupt Pharasitical temple some time shortly before the Hasmonean dynasty put Johnathan Maccabee on Moshes seat. When a teacher uses improper definitions and deceitful arguments, they define themselves as false teachers. This trinity is NOT pagan, and I dont fall for his lies. Gods overarching law is love, first for our God and creator, then to His created man. Unfortunately, upon leaving the premises of the local synagogue, they refused to act on what they had just preached. to lie prostrate, prostrate oneself Who am I to pick and choose what applies to me? As with other Hebrew Roots groups, many Christians consider 119 ministries a cult. Youre welcome to use any of this material to help your friend. Wow, thank you for all of that irrelevant nonsense that had nothing to do with my response to you. Show me. So I have had to resort to mostly praying. Then by following Gods commands we follow the instructions of Christ and by following the commands of Jesus we are following Gods commands which He never ever said to stop doing. Even more critical, it is so clear throughout the NT that Paul himself fully observed feasts in Torah which he also testified was scrutinized and fully substantiated by the Bereansand charged us believers to perpetually do the same. Several years ago, Pastor Brad Scott, of the Wild Branch Ministries, caught my attention with his refreshing take on this ever brewing controversy. 22:36-40-Here Jesus affirms the Great Commandment or Royal Law of love which carries over from the old to the new covenant in Christs blood.These two are NOT a part of the ten commandments In that spirit i remain open to be incorrect, however, obviously I do not think i am, but am willing to discuss these matters. The Gospel of the Kingdom will return but it is not going to convince the world until Satan is removed at the Millennium start. You cannot be of both. Just the opposite, they have demonstrated time and again, through the scriptures, that following the Law is simply the response after being saved by grace.. Ill take a look at the site. These are all things found in Torah that show us how to practically love our neighbor. I have come not to abolish but to complete (pleroo in Koine Greek). But from what I read, they moved here to be able to take advantage of the lower cost of living and quit their jobs to do their ministry full time. Since you opened your mouth. (John 3:16 paraphrase). My wife and I are pastors of a Messianic congregation and I wear my kippah and she wears her head scarf during our meetings. Lastly, the book of Acts (written most likely by Luke, of the Gospel of Luke) declares from Jesus lips: Im afraid that youll have to wait for the Wedding Feast of the Lamb for that silver or gold platter that youve been waiting for to materialize. I did contact them through their website testeverything.net and received a reply. Think Im kidding?? Are you speaking life with yours? what is the date for the last 7 sabbath year? I believe myself to be led by the Holy Spirit and believe Jesus to be the only way to Salvation and to know the father. Paul tells us to be imitators of Christ, did not Christ keep the Saturday Sabbath along with the rest of the Law? Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Testing everything is what the Church should be espousing, after all. That we would adhere to the Teachings that are now written in our hearts. To properly discuss the Torah as the law of God, one must first define which Torah (instruction) and which covenant are being discussed. I am in agreement. 119 'Ministries' is rife with the redefinition of Biblical terms (using root word fallacies and outright substitution of definitions found in Hebrew/Greek) and builds on false premises to reach what they say is 'truth'. Anyway, sometime after they moved down here, people kept forwarding me their Bible prophecy teaching video called Daniel Unsealed and asking me what I thought about it. Sean, I was trying to give you something to think on. Just as importantly, I was trying to point out fundamental errors (as I am prayerfully led to understand) in 119 Ministries teaching. It is this last centurys experiment of allowing women to teach and preach that opens the same door into liberal theology that suffrage and no fault divorce opens into economic and familial collapse. There is no separate one for Jew and Christian. It therefore comprehends theology, as a system of doctrines or principles, as well as practical piety; for the practice of moral duties without a belief in a divine lawgiver, and without reference to his will or commands, is not religion. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. Because we are covered by the owners sacrifice in maintaining the now complete building, we dont have to adhere to the ordinances that were in place during the constructing of the building. In Hebrews 8:13 and Hebrews 9:1 the word COVENANT was ADDED to the text. In fact, the ketubah or contract is made at the time of betrothal not at the marriage ceremony. When those of the same mindset as I are moved beyond the salvation and concerned with our works only when coupled with faith. The blessings are real; they are nothing less than awesome. walking as Jesus walked that is judgement and doing the opposite of what he in no doubt preaches from the Pulpit. Come and walk around the east coast city I live in with me and you will SEE how an experiential walk with the living new covenant Torah is like. Then you will truly receive a gift from God. Not that I can see! I appreciate your response and I accept your encouragement in diligently studying the word. Simplest example being the parable of the mustard seed had NOTHING to do with size but rather the character of it being able to survive and grow through the worst of (soil) conditions because mustard seed is an invasive weed in Israel. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. Your modern scholars arent even in the same building, much less the same book as these men. But what much (not all) of Christianity has done is to superimpose Greco-Roman thinking and western ideas that would be foreign to a first century follower of Jesus. How come we see in the prophets where they speak about the new millennium and how there will still be daily sacrifices (BTW the sin sacrifice was completed by the Messiah but the others remain). Words mean things and failure of proper terminology and understanding original cultruew leads to all kinds of nonsense. Rather, much to the contrary! But please dont let that deter you! I will pray for your husband. The Brit Hadashah (New Covenant or New Testament Scriptures) hadnt even been codified until long after the apostles death. You cannot earn salvation by the adherence to Gods eternal law. So if were currently living in a sinful and rebellious atmosphere of Sodom and Gomorrah, you have only our own stubbornness and willingness to be deceived to thank for it. One other thing: I can follow the rebuttals The difference between the blue and the black text is indistinguishable. If that is your desire, so be it! BUT as Paul says in Romans 2, and as Acts 15 says those that DONT KNOW IT, and follow the Spirit will become a law unto themselves Paul is saying being SPIRIT-LED will lead you to live by principles that will cause you to KEEP THE LAW even if you dont know the Torah. To make void the law/commandments because of the grace God gave us? Also, Id be very interested in collaborating with you on some other debasings of 119 ministries. All using the same world owlam. The best thing I have found is study the Scripture all while asking the Holy Spirit to teach you truth by it. Being formally married does not negate or abolish the vows. But first yes of course I forgive you. Unlike other ministers of the Gospel that almost appear to be like ravenous wolves. 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